Friday, December 5th, 2003 01:08 am
...

huh.

okay.

need to come clean now methinks because this is gonna make my brain explode if I don't sort this out for myself

namely, that: I'm still a fan of Jack/Will.

there, I said it. And it's not that I don't see what's to be seen in Jack/Norrington, but. yeah. Browsed and picked at some marvelous fic here and there and still. dunno.

It's not like I don't see the possibilities. But. It just doesn't *ping* in my head. Like, I see the Jack/Elizabeth and Jack/Anamaria. But that's not going to make me hunt down fic.

and I don't quite understand it. Because I *get* it, I can see it too. I just don't *feel* it for some reason. It's like this weird hole where you kinda sense that there *should* be some emotion but there *isn't*.

It's a very freaking odd feeling. And I don't get why I'm feeling this way.

It's not like I don't like adversaries or opposites or equals, I do. ::points at pairingslist:: It's not like I don't find Norrington adorable, and even if he doesn't exactly mush my 'hotness' buttons, neither does Bobby (I-Man) or Legolas or Q or Agent Smith or Xander.

So. I'm not getting this. Just to let you know. Even despite reading the reasonings on everyone's journals.

and let's put myself even more on the weenie roast:

I'm not a fan of Sirius/Remus either.

sorry.


[edit] ::headdesk:: ok. I have gone back and bolded the pertinent parts of this post that are apparently being skipped over.

::facepalm:: people. I *GET* Jack/Norrington. You are singing to the choir here. Also, I *LIKE* adversarial relationships and relationships of equals and opposites. Also, personal asethetics has NOTHING to do with my pairing preferences either way ::points at character list in post:: I LIKE some pairings were I feel no lust at all for one character or another.

Though. ok. I realize that this post may have put the Sparrington people on the defensive. I'll give you that. but, dude. Singing to the choir here. I get it. I just don't understand why it's not *pinging* for me on an emotional level based on my previous pairing inclinations...

[edit2] also: to clarify, I'm *not* objecting to the fact that there's J/N discussion. but. perhaps, not too much to ask that the J/N rhetoric cover more ground than what I'd already covered in the post itself?

[edit3] Figured it out! YAY!
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Friday, December 5th, 2003 09:44 am (UTC)
Yay for Jack/Will! <3
Friday, December 5th, 2003 10:12 am (UTC)
Dude, you're allowed to not necessarily go for J/N! Sirius/Remus I do love but that's because it's just the most canon and obvious and has lovely angsty sides to it. Also I just heart Remus something fierce. *grin*

But it's sort of how I feel about Jack/Will -- I would never object to it because it's so there already. I am a SLATHERING Jack/Will fan! The first potc fic I ever read was an J/W/E OT3 ficlet. I think because the first proper long fic I properly read was a Jack/Norrington it forced my eyes open to the posssibility of that pairing I hadn't really considered before and I fell for that, (plus, I cannot resist the Commodore!) but straight after I dived into the fandom I was onto Jack/Will too. I'm always reading that on the side. Basically, if it's got Jack in it, I'll read it. *is fangirl* lalala.

But, is it you I said to about Jack/Will being my 'Jack takes a cabin boy' thing? There's something about the ages and the pretty and the way they come together at the end of the film and that look Jack gives Will when he doesn't know quite what to say at the end and...yeah. :D
J/N is more for opposites and posibility and fitting together and clashing and sharing and...yes, things I don't need to get into because you know; Jack/Will is fun and has the chance for something very fierce and makes my tummy squee; and Jack/Elizabeth is delicious and sparky and, since she is the character I could most identify with, a lovely little Mary Sue kind of imaginary thing.
...Okay, now I look weird. *bites lip*
Do you get what I mean? I lovelove her character anyway, because she is GRATE, but there is also this lovely little element with her being the most like me out of the cast. It's a idealistic sort of thing. Though it's not like the chemistry they had is off putting. They were always my Het OTP.

Yes, I do always end up having about three OTPS per fandom. Shut up. *grin*

You know, I just want Jack, I think. *laughs* It's sort of similar with Remus; I've read every pairing under the sun for him. (omg Draco/Remus. Really. *nods)

And I've blathered.
Friday, December 5th, 2003 10:15 am (UTC)
I don't think it's compulsary to like Jack/Norrington! I don't get that either, probably because I saw "Coupling" and the person playing Norrington is still a silly comedy person to me! Jack/Will, mmmmm. Now that I can see. (Mind you, I can't really "see" Sands/El, as you know, so.....)
Friday, December 5th, 2003 11:00 am (UTC)
Welcome to the club. I guess that I can see the way Jack and Norrington would interact that would present the possibility of the pairing, but it leaves me totally cold - I can read it in fics by the best writers, but my brain just says "what-ever, moving along". Consequently, I'm afraid I just don't read those fics at all now *sighs* While Jack/Will... let's just say I like the combination of "world and slightly evil" with "spluttering innocent" ^___^

And for the record, I'm perfectly happy with my Sirius and Remus as friends, though won't say no to a torrid love affair :P
Friday, December 5th, 2003 12:29 pm (UTC)
I think the Jack/Norrington is so popular because Jack Davenport is incredibly hot, more so than Orlando and Johnny imho, but at the same time Norrington seems to be a very straight character. As Johnny looks like a girl who ran away to join the pirates in the movie, Jack/Norrington is obviously the way to go.

On the other hand, I haven't read much PotC slash at all, but all the J/N I've read doesn't seem right. It's so un-Norrington. It only goes to show what an amazing actor Jack Davenport is, 'cos he was soverygayandpretty in The Talented Mr Ripley.
Friday, December 5th, 2003 12:49 pm (UTC)
Ahh. I feel the same way. See, I can sort of see Jack/Norrington, but I don't find a reason to really 'get' it or obsess over it when I have Jack/Will. Besides, if I did? That'd mean a whole new site to make and such... ;)

But yeah, I can see more of Jack/Will. Don't worry -- you're not alone. :)

I'm not a fan of Sirius/Remus either.

I was briefly interested in that, but my interest waned as well...only read the first two HP books and am lazy enough to just wait until the movie comes out next year. ;)
Friday, December 5th, 2003 12:52 pm (UTC)
I'm not a fan of Jack/Will myself but i can see where it comes from. I'm not a fan of Will or Elizabeth [although i can stand her a lot more than i can stand him] and with Jack/Norrington i see the whole straight-laced officer/free spirit pirate thing going on.

The film is based on Will, Jack and Elizabeth so having Norrington in there, i think, makes it harder. The idea of Jack/Will, Jack/Elizabeth and Will/Elizabeth is pushed a lot in the film so i think it's seen as more natural.

I myself always go for the weird pairing and for me, it's Jack/Norrington.

And as for Sirius/Remus... i dunno. I can see the couple in the canon stuff but... I can't stand Sirius in the books, especially OoTP. His character is very... weird, which can be accounted for since the guy spent a whole lotta time in Azkaban. But i just couldn't stand him in OoTP and when he... you-know-whated i was actually happy about it. Now, in terms of the films i'm gonna hate it 'cos i love Gary Oldman. Poor pet.

And don't worry, i don't like Legolas much either. Come to think of it, i don't think i like any of the characters Orlando Bloom has played. And from the sounds of things, when Troy comes out i'm gonna be out for his blood 'cos it's 'cos of him that Hector dies and i like Hector. And hell, they all die 'cos of him. But ok, it's not just him. And... i'll shut up now. Sorry.
Friday, December 5th, 2003 01:12 pm (UTC)
Jack/Norrington is so appealing (because Mr. Davenport is just way more entrancing than Mr. Bloom imho, but this left aside), because they actually represent a challenge for each other. Norrington understood the principal of the "dishonest man" rather soon (probably right after loosing his ship to him) and is most definitely up for the challenge. He would not have let him simply slip away in the end if he was just Hell bent onto seeing him hung. In canon, I think, they will either end up being friends despite being adversaries or talk each other to death ... most likely both. (and in fanfic you can take it a step even further) It's much like a Legolas/Gimli (book style) thing.

Apart from this Elizabeth is just way too cool a female lead to be slashed out, she and Will are right for each other and I see no reason for ripping them apart. Sweet couple.

Not into Sirius/Remus either. I like them as friends, but prefer Snape/Remus as a pairing ... and an occasional Sirius/Snape PWP in-between snack. ^_-
Friday, December 5th, 2003 01:32 pm (UTC)
At least you can actually choose a pairing in PotC. They're all just so visually appealing...and thus 'Game'. Bleah. I'm so indecisive.
Friday, December 5th, 2003 02:34 pm (UTC)
No worries. Same problem here. I don't support Jack/Norrington even though it gets glaringly obvious sometimes. ^^ Whatever that floats your boat, I guess.

Oh, I'm letting you choose. I have written a Sands/El for you for Christmas. But I really think it sucks, so I started on a Jack/Will reincarnation fic for you...(which might grow vertically and laterally to become a rather big project). So do you want your Christmas fic completed on time (and I give you the Sands/El) or do you want just the first chapter to be deliver on time and I present you with the Jack/Will?
Friday, December 5th, 2003 03:19 pm (UTC)
boy, two in a day! And I say again, these words make no sense to me. Because I *am* a Jack/Norrington person. A very, very devoted one. Because, to me, what they represent is a meeting of equals and respect and *adults*, which is what the */Elizabeth or */Will pairings are missing.

but then, I do not get the appeal of Will at *all*. Aside from the pretty, and the pretty is very much not enough to overcome everything else for me.
Friday, December 5th, 2003 03:22 pm (UTC)
Hee.

I apparently am exactly the opposite :)

I don't get Will/Jack at all. I don't get Sands/El at all.

Now Sands/Ajedrez/Anamaria I could get behind ;)
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Friday, December 5th, 2003 03:23 pm (UTC)
What, no Jack/Gov. Swann? ;)
I dig the Will/Jack, too, but I just can't get into the PotC fic. Except Circe's No Pirate On Earth epic. And I just can't get into Jack/Elizabeth. It's like I want my boys together. A pimp and his man-servant.
Friday, December 5th, 2003 03:25 pm (UTC)
Mhm, prettyboys indeed vvg, and Orlando and Johnny are hotter than most blokes just... there's something about Jack Davenport which makes me go guh. I saw him in The Talented Mr Ripley as a yummy slashboy first, so that's probably got a lot to do with it.
Friday, December 5th, 2003 03:41 pm (UTC)
and yeah, see, I usually *go* for off-the-wall ::points at various recs lists: and yet. yeah.

Ah well. We all have our weird couples. It's how we are.

I dunno, I thought Orlando looks fine in Pirates, and as for Sirius? meh.

He looks fine. Can't act though. And meh is a very good description for Sirius.
Friday, December 5th, 2003 03:57 pm (UTC)
Each to their own, I say, live and let live and all that, and god forbid anyone should get upset or fall out over this topic...

...but personally, even having read all these lovely explanations here, I just can't and don't get Jack/Will at all. I read it (and some of it is very lovely and I enjoy it) but I really don't get it. And in fact the more I watch the film (oh the joy of finally having the DVD in my hot little hands!) the less I get it.

Now with Jack/Norrington, you have the snark, the competitiveness, the fact that they irritate the hell out of one another. So that's my OTP.

I can even see Jack/Elizabeth easier than Jack/Will - there's a mutual respect for cunning and intelligence there.

I guess this just goes to show that, even though we're all watching the same film, we're all taking slightly different things away from it, depending on our personal tastes and experiences.
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