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permetaform ([personal profile] permetaform) wrote2005-03-04 11:51 pm

W.T.F.

Have discovered [livejournal.com profile] frienditto.

I'm slowly throwing my all past posts into friends-lock; they will be up if and when frienditto is down.

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what is this, you ask? Click on the link to find out. (It's CREEPY.)

Why, yes, I'm hot-linking.

Please, feel free to hot-link too.

Idea taken from [livejournal.com profile] lierdumoa. Crash their servers with me?

[edit2] [livejournal.com profile] tanacawyr rocks in so many ways, and explains things so well. This is one of these things.

[edit3] [livejournal.com profile] elke_tanzer explains, via quoting their Terms Of Service contract why frienditto is soooooo incredibly shady.

Also? please hot-link. Really, I'll **love** seeing that picture over and over again...

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
This person has more information about frienditto. I have no idea what's up myself, just that it's all over my friendslist today.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/subbes/1112291.html

[identity profile] elke-tanzer.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
From what I have seen, [livejournal.com profile] subbes is a frienditto enthusiast.

There is more information at [livejournal.com profile] lori and [livejournal.com profile] applecameron has actually done some testing. I tried explaining what I know about frienditto in [livejournal.com profile] elke_tanzer as well.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, thanks. It looks nasty. =(

[identity profile] courtney_beth.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I like [livejournal.com profile] subbes brings up a good point. It's the internet-- view source and print screen CAN be used instead. This just saves trouble.

Don't want stuff published, don't put it on the internet.

[identity profile] courtney_beth.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, delete that *like from there. Totally too tired to be typing.

[identity profile] courtney_beth.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
Well, let me rephrase that.

Don't post anything you're not wanting anyone else to know?

[identity profile] elke-tanzer.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
View source and print screen can save things to local desktop computers. Putting those files on the internet involves a bit more work (only a bit) and can be far more traceable than the anonymity offered by frienditto.

The frienditto folks are making a big deal of their whole additute of... how can I paraphrase what I've seen of them today? Something like this: we'll archive your stuff and once it's in our archive you can't do anything about it without giving us your real name and contact information and there's nothing you can do about it because we're oh so cool and blase and your right to your own writing doesn't mean anything because it's our internet and you're nothing. That, combined with the trolling behaviour I've seen many of their supporters doing today makes me pretty inclined to believe that they're just shitstirring asshats out for a quick laugh at the expense of the rest of us and our sense of community.

I could be wrong. But I doubt it at this point.

Also? Because something is on the internet does not make it public domain. How many times does that little fallacy have to be brought up? No, never mind... *sigh*

[identity profile] elke-tanzer.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
I notice your journal has a large friends-only banner on it. I suppose given your statement here that you don't expect any of the 241 journals you have friended to respect your friendslock? That's kind of strange.

[identity profile] elke-tanzer.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
You may want to read carefully the following page: http://www.frienditto.com/legal.php

Specifically, "10. Correspondence with Frienditto

Should you choose to present your e-mail address, physical home address, telephone number, full name or other personally identifying information to Frienditto by any means whatsoever, we reserve the right to publish said personal information in whole or in part. Should you chose to contact any member of Frienditto.com by any communication means, Frienditto reserves the right to publish the conversation, in whole or in part, as seen fit to do so. Any and all e-mails may also be published in whole or in part. By communicating with Frienditto.com staff, you consent to said publication and acknowledge you have no expectation of privacy whatsoever under federal or state law for materials discussed and/or submitted. Legally privledged materials and communication, and/or communication concerning an active ongoing law enforcement investigation will be kept confidential as required by law."

Also http://www.frienditto.com/faq.php, specifically

"When I archive a journal entry does frienditto strip out any information within the page's source that could identify the archiver? How?
We have gone to great lengths to make sure that any posts that are archived are as anonymous as possible. This includes when you archive a friends only post. The scripts that are used eliminate all information that could possibly identify the archiver.

Hey can you tell me who archived what? I promise I won't tell a soul.
Nope. We never ever reveal any identifying information about archivers. We simply aren't able to keep logs of that much information and pinpointing who archived what would be administratively burdensome, resulting in a sketchy ID at best. Please do not ask anyone affiliated with Frienditto to reveal this proprietary information to you. All Frienditto employees and affiliates are bound by a strict Non Disclosure Agreement barring them from sharing that information. Frienditto values the privacy of its users and will not reveal this information for any reason."

The philosophy of frienditto's founders is offensive to me, and I hate the effect their thoughtlessness over some quick entertainment has done to some folks on my flist.

[identity profile] adrienneherbst.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Should you choose to present your e-mail address, physical home address, telephone number, full name or other personally identifying information to Frienditto by any means whatsoever, we reserve the right to publish said personal information in whole or in part.

Not only is this obnoxious, it doesn't sound legal. Do you think they're just counting on nobody getting riled up enough to press charges, or does the publishing of personal information have to be accompanied by some kind of threat in order to violate law? What state are they based out of, anyway?

[identity profile] jon-a-ross.livejournal.com 2005-03-06 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't worry about it too much, it seems that all the people going to look have overloaded their bandwidth and now they are asking for money.

[identity profile] boniblithe.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
So wait. You agree that they can publish your personal information on the one hand, and then on the other hand they refuse to reveal any identifying information about archivers?

WTF?

[identity profile] boniblithe.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
I have this difficult-to-repress urge to go around and enter frienditto@livejournal.com into a bunch of spam email places. But I'm resisting, because, as FaithBuffy says, "That would be wrong."