VVC!!! and thinkyness

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DUDE, there's much to do, much to pack, and vividcon! OMG YAY! YAAAAAAAAY!

And so of course my brain starts working on OTHER things. pah.

Like, I've been thinking about the various ship_manifesto's that I've been reading and thinking about pairings and scanning over the HP pairing debates (and omg did you know that there's a post on F_W that lists links to allll the HP wank that has been posted to F_W and that post is LONGER THAN MOST OF MY FICS WTF.) and..

::blinks:: okay, it's perhaps a really simple thing but it never registered so hard as it did when I peeked at the HP 'shipper debates that so much of the 'ship debates are happening from opposing sides with utterly different ideas of 'love' and of a 'relationship'.

See, from what I've gleaned from the HP debates (providing that I haven't read the book myself yet) it's a matter of the friends-that-become-more versus teeny-relationship deal. It's sorta not even about what might be most logical according to the world (ie. JKR needing a relationship that's fundamentally transient) but most logical according to what people *think* is needed for the character.

And okay, I'm going to stop talking about HP because it's getting too spoiler-iffic.

On a more generalized level, what I'm getting at here is that I wouldn't be surprised that most fans highly value the long-term relationship. The till-death-do-us-part, the I'll-meet-you-in-the-afterlife, the I'm-you're-best-friend-and-lover-and-Everything; 'cause frankly that hits my buttons like WHOA.

And as much as that twiggs me out because on one level it's such a girly thing to think, on another level I can't see what is possibly wrong with loyalty even if it might be called 'commitment'. And god, if there's any other word so negatively loaded as 'commitment'...::rolls eyes::

And...well, that's my background in this, sorta kinda, and by 'this' I mean that frequently it seems to me that the more heated pairing debates revolve (at it's core) a great deal around the idea of what a "Relationship" should look like. Specifically, a non-platonic relationship; and isn't that a can of worms 'cause then the debate boils down to an argument between two people with fundamentally different concepts of a relationship and how that relates to the also heated question of what is 'love'.

Specifically, what I'm flailing at here is that it seems less like:

Random Fan, "Character X can't be with Character Y!!"

...but rather that Random Fan is not willing to like the form of the relationship (which might be short-term or hate-filled or really really bad for the emotional stability of the characters) that Character X and Y might have with each other.

Like for instance, I could see how Harry/Snape might work, just like I could see Harry/Sirius, just like I could see Harry/Ron or Harry/Draco. It's just that the Harry/fanon!Draco dynamic interests me most of all.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Your thoughts?

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The rabid shippers seem to be saying that the characters are going to have a long, fulfilled love, and they can't see the other ship going very well. Even if it happens to be canon.

::nods:: or even, that people have very specific ideas of what a relationship would look like. For instance, some would say that Opposites Attract (ie. HG/RW); others would say that people who are similar would have more stable relationships (ie. HP/HG). Based on which side you lean towards, I think, the more likely it is to see a 'canon' relationship.

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*nods* That makes sense, too.

But really, the only "canon" relationships are those actually in the canon. The rest is just one possible ship out of a ton of them.