Conclusions in The Great Will Debate...

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The original Debate thread

In process of being discussed/updated...erm, and contains Elizabeth and Jack musings too...

last updated around 10:30, PLEASE point out redundancies and points of disagreements...(ie, the questionmark next to Will's confidence,..)



Agreements:

Will in a fantasy world
Will has a strong childside
Will as a computer geek
Will is competent in his field of knowledge
Will's field of knowledge is a bit limited at times
Will being a dumbass sometimes
Will being young
Will growing up throughout the movie
Will is illiterate
Will's confidence(?)
Elizabeth is ruthless
Elizabeth is pirate-y
Elizabeth is adaptable in pirate situations
Elizabeth is a romantic
Jack is on Jack's side
Jack doesn't like to get his own hands dirty
Will is able to learn
Will is sheltered emotionally
Will realizes Undead Pirate
Will is rash
Will is emotionally suppressed by the established hierarchy.



Differences:

How rash IS Will?
Degree of Will's suppression by the established hierarchy
Piracy-Justifiable in the end? (would matter towards Will's view of pirates at the end)
Degree of growth in the movie
Will's competency
Will's confidence(?)
Will has logic/common sense


Trigger Paradoxes:

definition: an action that would definitively prove a characterization one way or another that is non-canon; ie. if Jack pulled the Trigger and shot Will in the smithy.

Shooting Will, y or n?
Will telling Elizabeth (in cave) he loves her
Elizabeth knowing that Jack is a pirate when she first wakes up
Will being nicely dressed at Jack's hanging


Sequel theories:

Elizabeth turning evil



Note: ok, I HAVE to study for my math final (::kicks linear algerbra books::), so I'm AWOL until about...4 pm (Pacific)? that should give jaida and cali time to come back from lunch and get settled.

In the meanwhile, feel free to leave your thoughts on the matter.

Comments

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

It's high fucking time I joined in the debate, isn't it? I feel a little bit intimidated and shall not, indeed, be writing as much (off the bat) as my esteemed colleague and snugglebunny calichan but at least I will have participated! And that is necessary, I think, considering this is shaping up to be one, fascinating, and two, famed throughout the land. Or it will be.

I'm definitely of the mind that Jack is fire and water, which makes sense, considering what a contradiction he can be. Of course, there is first the element of water ever changing in him, the fact that you very well might not see the same Jack twice (bursting into Pochahontas song, much?), and, of course, his love of the sea, of the freedom the sea brings, of the excitement and the unpredictability which is echoed in his own nature. But then there is the smoky, passionate side of him, a side more fiery and more impassioned than I think an air sign would lend itself to. It's tempered of course with the opposite sign in him, which makes him so unpredictable, himself, and so absolutely batshit sometimes, in terms of being a joke one moment and being able suddenly to turn around 180 degrees and shoot Barbossa with such seriousness and determination in him. (As calichan said above, we've hashed this out together ... a lot. A whole damn lot. XD)

As for the Jack/Will which I think was mentioned somewhere here ... I'm not a fan of it. I just don't feel it. I don't know if they're right for each other at all, can see the occasional scenario playing out when certain factors (such as Bootstrap Bill, par example) are weighed into the mix. Straight out Jack/Will with no explanation (or an explanation that runs along the lines of "And then Will ran off from Elizabeth because the sea was calling, calling to him! And so was Jack!") makes me twitch and shudder. Not saying that you do this! Not saying that at all. But the general consensus on the Jack/Will scene seems to be that this is perfectly in character for Will to do, because the burning call of Jack's seafaring soul has left its brand upon Will's heart...

Yeah, you get my point.

So I will dive randomly into the Jack/Will now, and say, tell me your theories! I want to hear them! And then, I will babble lots, and give you mine!

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first of all:

But the general consensus on the Jack/Will scene seems to be that this is perfectly in character for Will to do, because the burning call of Jack's seafaring soul has left its brand upon Will's heart...

yeah. ::covers eyes:: forgive my brethern, for they have created fanon!Will; bear not pitchforks for they have not done so through ill-will.

and, second:

What do you think of Sirius/Remus? This is pertient, I promise you.

[calicokat.livejournal.com]

I'll post this on this thread to say that Jaida has a lunch she just ran out to, so she'll be back sometime this afternoon, and I have to run and buy things for my new dorm, so I will be back in a few hours, so neither of us are disippearing the while that we are dropping out of the discussion. I will get back to you when I get home! ^_^

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

I think Sirius/Remus is the one true way.

(I would wax poetic but then everyone here would shoot me. :D)

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I think Sirius/Remus is the one true way.

thought so...I think I'm going to put my Jack/Will explaination in a new entry because it's going to require some back explaination...