Conclusions in The Great Will Debate...

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The original Debate thread

In process of being discussed/updated...erm, and contains Elizabeth and Jack musings too...

last updated around 10:30, PLEASE point out redundancies and points of disagreements...(ie, the questionmark next to Will's confidence,..)



Agreements:

Will in a fantasy world
Will has a strong childside
Will as a computer geek
Will is competent in his field of knowledge
Will's field of knowledge is a bit limited at times
Will being a dumbass sometimes
Will being young
Will growing up throughout the movie
Will is illiterate
Will's confidence(?)
Elizabeth is ruthless
Elizabeth is pirate-y
Elizabeth is adaptable in pirate situations
Elizabeth is a romantic
Jack is on Jack's side
Jack doesn't like to get his own hands dirty
Will is able to learn
Will is sheltered emotionally
Will realizes Undead Pirate
Will is rash
Will is emotionally suppressed by the established hierarchy.



Differences:

How rash IS Will?
Degree of Will's suppression by the established hierarchy
Piracy-Justifiable in the end? (would matter towards Will's view of pirates at the end)
Degree of growth in the movie
Will's competency
Will's confidence(?)
Will has logic/common sense


Trigger Paradoxes:

definition: an action that would definitively prove a characterization one way or another that is non-canon; ie. if Jack pulled the Trigger and shot Will in the smithy.

Shooting Will, y or n?
Will telling Elizabeth (in cave) he loves her
Elizabeth knowing that Jack is a pirate when she first wakes up
Will being nicely dressed at Jack's hanging


Sequel theories:

Elizabeth turning evil



Note: ok, I HAVE to study for my math final (::kicks linear algerbra books::), so I'm AWOL until about...4 pm (Pacific)? that should give jaida and cali time to come back from lunch and get settled.

In the meanwhile, feel free to leave your thoughts on the matter.

Comments

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

You do! You rock. I shall let calichan field the bit about Bootstrap because she is far more qualified to do so. And she shall also do so far better than ever I could.

That being said, BarbossaxJack is a special little kink of mine, because I feel there is so much left unsaid about their past relationships. ( Have a theory that Barbossa was jealous of Bill and in order to combat that jealousy, once Jack realized it, he gave Barbossa the position of First Mate because he knew Bill wouldn't worry as to his place in Jack's life. ) Definitely love the BarbossaxJack. Definitely need to do something with it.

[ash-night.livejournal.com]

Ahh... I have a love of Barbosa.

There needs to be more fics dedicated to him. The backstory that needs to be resolved through fanfiction in this fandom in almost infinite! I could list a thousand questions that can be tackled in ficlet form one way or another...

But back to Barbosa. I'm not positive if I would slash Barbosa together with Jack... but I'm rather neutral on the topic. I definately see Barbosa as the father-figure. And if you throw in the: Jack was Raised into Piracy Theory, you could perhaps incorporate a scenario in which Barbosa was Jack's father's lover. And while Barbosa would never betray John (current leading name of Jack's pirate captain father if there was one by a statistic of two) Sparrow, Barbosa may not have had qualms with betraying Jack, because Jack is obviously the son of his mother and we all know how the birds and the bees function. Or something along the lines of that... that just spews off into speculation after speculation.

But yes. I love Barbosa. And I love his green apples. Gee, that sounds perverted. Barbosa is probably on the top three favorite characters of mine along with Jack and Elizabeth. (Will is a bit too... generic? for me.)

yeah, I know it's not 4pm but I NEED a break...

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BarbossaxJack?

ooo, yes please? again interesting dynamic there, especially with Jack's body language around Barbossa which half the time is closed in on itself. And of course the posturing and one upping and some such.

Also, was it just me, or did Barbossa cackle *merrily* when chasing Jack in the scene? Ok, true it might be just the actors having a ball, but Barbossa didn't mind fighting Jack "until the trumpet sound". Best enemies, yes.

[calicokat.livejournal.com]

I really do feel like there is a great understanding between Barbossa and Jack, that they play off each other perfectly, that Barbossa is one of the few people who can challange Jack cerebrally. They have a beautiful rapport, now soured by their falling out, but they clearly know each other very well and on the matter of "However, for some reason I see them now almost pranking each other on the ship, or at least getting into MAJOR one-upsmanship competitions," I think they probably did that all the time. There's not much to do on a ship, you know, on the open ocean for weeks, besides bicker with your friends, or friendly rivals. When Jack and Barbossa are debating over the table they seem, to me, to be playing a game of 'who can keep cool the longest', they're both using a lot of physically intimidating body language while they trade volleys of words, and both trying to out-impose one another. I love their dynamic, it's just fabulous. I can see those games being played much more innocuously before they had a parting of ways, and I think they really enjoy each others company, in terms of the mental stimulation it provides.

[cytherean.livejournal.com]

*nervously sneaks forward*

( Have a theory that Barbossa was jealous of Bill and in order to combat that jealousy, once Jack realized it, he gave Barbossa the position of First Mate because he knew Bill wouldn't worry as to his place in Jack's life. )

Wow. I didn't know someone else had that theory too! Amazed and very, very gratified to see it written out. XD

Fascinated by debate and will post this before letting my brain register the fact that I am posting. Did that make sense?

*scuttles off*