a mindless ramble on the judgement of 'Yaoi' and anime fandoms thereof.

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hmm, how do I explain this? gah. different fandom conventions there?

For instance, there's no conventional ratings. There's just a note on whether it's "lemon", "lime", or "citrus". Lemon is fucking, lime is groping or oral, citrus is petting and snogging. All in all I find I like that system better than the ratings system which I never *could* make heads or tails of. I mean, fer gosh sakes, if you don't want anyone under a certain age to read it, labeling it with rating isn't going to help, really. All in all, it seems that the "ew!" factor was enough to keep most of my peer group from reading things we weren't prepared to handle. ::shrugs::

Oh, and I dunno, but yaoi just seems to be a highly...stylized? Compared to what slash is. More pink bubbles and dark rose petals and even the *suffering* is pretty. Really really pretty, in a way that slash isn't, and I KNOW I'm going to get arguments on this point from somewhere; but just the *feel* of it is less real and more...crystalline? Or just stylized.

Partly it's the source material I think, the highly exceptionally stylized art of very non-realistic features, in the way that "<3" is not a real, bloody and bleeding *heart*. It's *not* and is in no way realistic; it's fantastical and yaoi is less...gritty? than slash.

Knowing, also, that yaoi generally has a slightly younger fanbase, that might also explain some things.

Knowing, also, that there's been a mingling of the slash and yaoi fandoms these past few years and that I'm speaking from what I remember of the fandoms three years past.

Knowing, also, that yaoi comes more from a culture
of "perfection", and if it's your fantasy, why *not* make it perfect? (this is a rhetorical question. I am posing it in the mindset of another, "a walk in another's shoes" so to speak.)

I will state it plainly here: This IS a culture clash.

Say it with me now: Culture. Clash.

Different perspectives, different values. Easy to say, hard to live. And NO, there isn't really solid grounds for argument based on 'logic' in some issues, because while Person1 might think in terms of "A to B to C to D", Person2 might think in terms of "A to 1 to One to O", and Person3 might think in terms of "A > B > C and thus Cat".

Summary?

You can't make 'logical' arguments when your opponent's base values are different than yours.

Logic HAS no footing (no basis, support, or foundation) when the parties in discussion can't agree whether "1" means "first" or "least". Or for that matter, when neither party even realizes that there's a miscommunication along those lines.

::facepalm::

(btw, this is not directed to anyone. this has been stewing for a bit.)

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Oh btw.

This?

It's *exactly* what you think it is.

Ah, those Japanese. Shall we blame it on the hot springs and day-time porn? ;)

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Point of happiness:

Seeing this icon?

(moondog's)

...makes me happy.

Also? Whenever viva_gloria writes I'm happy.

Go read (Some Say The World Will) End in Fire

It's only the second piece of Norse Mythology slash that I've come across. And oooooooh, but it's good. It's deathly good and I love it on many levels, 'cause it's layered and deals with the Odin/Loki dynamic so fabulously.

And, really, there should be more Norse!slash. There just should. Where else can you not only get superpowers and literal talking heads and the fabulously beautiful and the famously ripped and neat weaponry and angsty drama and the Original Armageddon...

And! Canon Mpreg! Canon! Mpreg!

...though it's a bit fucked up that Odin kept the kid for his war stallion; but hey, the whole thing was partly Loki's fault anyhoo. (oh, and Odin wasn't the dad. A horse was. And it's not really beastiality. Really. 'Cause shapechanger, y'know? erm. I'm kinda not helping the cause here, am I? ::cringe:: I'm still blaming it on the meds)

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small figures against this grainy orange-yellow area as the evening just starts to press the blue down from the sky.

o.o

...because yes the sun would come down as they complete, like a thunderclap, but brighter, and the darkness would creep in and the chill would set in and suddenly they'll feel each grain whereas before there was only orange surface, and suddenly it'll be clammy skin where it was once liquid and. For one moment the silence will be terribly awkward.

I think Campa would laugh though, and say "You win", and press his head down onto Quino's shoulder, as if to keep him there.

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ashashshh

And Quino would look out across the shades of blue-black and grey rolling off around them in flats and rises like the muscles under both of his palms, and laugh. "Sí. And as my payment..."

And Campa would open his eyes, short eyelashes skritching and sticking over Quino's damp-drying skin, and ask "...What?" And he would move a little, not much, just an unconscious shift in anticipation that would move Quino, braced across his thighs; make Quino's hand spasm over the tiny hairs on the tops of his legs and the tight muscle underneath in contrast to his softening length), and Quino would swallow his half-moan, and reply...

"Let me move outta this split before I cramp."

Thank You. Just... thank you.

[elspethdixon.livejournal.com]

This little snippet of round robin pr0n was exactly what I needed after spending two hours in a History seminar discussing the causes of WWII (and an hour and a half in the reference and periodicals sections of my colleges library looking for articles on prisoners of war before that).

That, plus the entire concept of Puss n'Boots/El-Kitty/Pretty Blind Gringo-Kitty made my day. Which probably means something worrying about my mental health.

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[tacks.livejournal.com]

hahaha! Oh, you're very welcome - I love a good random writing session, especially when it's a bunny that's been POKING ME, and my permetaform always gets exactly where I'm coming from and throws stuff back that makes me just...sigh.
*grins*

And I'm doing WWI stuff in college, at the mo, so I have SOME idea how you feel.

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::hugs you:: you sit in my brain too, ya w00bie.

btw. what say you to compiling this sucker and perhaps plumping it up a bit??

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[tacks.livejournal.com]

what say you to compiling this sucker and perhaps plumping it up a bit??
Each keyboard mash so far, times ten.
Except you're like one of the most stunning writers ever, so forgive me if I stop to flail every now and then.

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[permetaform]

awww, shaddup...::blush::

and, okay, give me a sec...

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[permetaform]

here we go...

leave notes/additions in the comments? I'll add them in as we go...

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"And if I forget, you will demonstrate for me again?"

And this in a curl of breath that cups Quino's chin.

And Quino would laugh too, like sky and starlight, and send a ripple of reminder that would make them both stumble and break from the middle of breathing,

"You won't forget," Quino would say.

And he won't.