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hmm, how do I explain this? gah. different fandom conventions there?
For instance, there's no conventional ratings. There's just a note on whether it's "lemon", "lime", or "citrus". Lemon is fucking, lime is groping or oral, citrus is petting and snogging. All in all I find I like that system better than the ratings system which I never *could* make heads or tails of. I mean, fer gosh sakes, if you don't want anyone under a certain age to read it, labeling it with rating isn't going to help, really. All in all, it seems that the "ew!" factor was enough to keep most of my peer group from reading things we weren't prepared to handle. ::shrugs::
Oh, and I dunno, but yaoi just seems to be a highly...stylized? Compared to what slash is. More pink bubbles and dark rose petals and even the *suffering* is pretty. Really really pretty, in a way that slash isn't, and I KNOW I'm going to get arguments on this point from somewhere; but just the *feel* of it is less real and more...crystalline? Or just stylized.
Partly it's the source material I think, the highly exceptionally stylized art of very non-realistic features, in the way that "<3" is not a real, bloody and bleeding *heart*. It's *not* and is in no way realistic; it's fantastical and yaoi is less...gritty? than slash.
Knowing, also, that yaoi generally has a slightly younger fanbase, that might also explain some things.
Knowing, also, that there's been a mingling of the slash and yaoi fandoms these past few years and that I'm speaking from what I remember of the fandoms three years past.
Knowing, also, that yaoi comes more from a culture
of "perfection", and if it's your fantasy, why *not* make it perfect? (this is a rhetorical question. I am posing it in the mindset of another, "a walk in another's shoes" so to speak.)
I will state it plainly here: This IS a culture clash.
Say it with me now: Culture. Clash.
Different perspectives, different values. Easy to say, hard to live. And NO, there isn't really solid grounds for argument based on 'logic' in some issues, because while Person1 might think in terms of "A to B to C to D", Person2 might think in terms of "A to 1 to One to O", and Person3 might think in terms of "A > B > C and thus Cat".
Summary?
You can't make 'logical' arguments when your opponent's base values are different than yours.
Logic HAS no footing (no basis, support, or foundation) when the parties in discussion can't agree whether "1" means "first" or "least". Or for that matter, when neither party even realizes that there's a miscommunication along those lines.
::facepalm::
(btw, this is not directed to anyone. this has been stewing for a bit.)
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Oh btw.
This?
It's *exactly* what you think it is.
Ah, those Japanese. Shall we blame it on the hot springs and day-time porn? ;)
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Point of happiness:
Seeing this icon?
(![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
moondog's)
...makes me happy.
Also? Wheneverviva_gloria writes I'm happy.
Go read (Some Say The World Will) End in Fire
It's only the second piece of Norse Mythology slash that I've come across. And oooooooh, but it's good. It's deathly good and I love it on many levels, 'cause it's layered and deals with the Odin/Loki dynamic so fabulously.
And, really, there should be more Norse!slash. There just should. Where else can you not only get superpowers and literal talking heads and the fabulously beautiful and the famously ripped and neat weaponry and angsty drama and the Original Armageddon...
And! Canon Mpreg! Canon! Mpreg!
...though it's a bit fucked up that Odin kept the kid for his war stallion; but hey, the whole thing was partly Loki's fault anyhoo. (oh, and Odin wasn't the dad. A horse was. And it's not really beastiality. Really. 'Cause shapechanger, y'know? erm. I'm kinda not helping the cause here, am I? ::cringe:: I'm still blaming it on the meds)
For instance, there's no conventional ratings. There's just a note on whether it's "lemon", "lime", or "citrus". Lemon is fucking, lime is groping or oral, citrus is petting and snogging. All in all I find I like that system better than the ratings system which I never *could* make heads or tails of. I mean, fer gosh sakes, if you don't want anyone under a certain age to read it, labeling it with rating isn't going to help, really. All in all, it seems that the "ew!" factor was enough to keep most of my peer group from reading things we weren't prepared to handle. ::shrugs::
Oh, and I dunno, but yaoi just seems to be a highly...stylized? Compared to what slash is. More pink bubbles and dark rose petals and even the *suffering* is pretty. Really really pretty, in a way that slash isn't, and I KNOW I'm going to get arguments on this point from somewhere; but just the *feel* of it is less real and more...crystalline? Or just stylized.
Partly it's the source material I think, the highly exceptionally stylized art of very non-realistic features, in the way that "<3" is not a real, bloody and bleeding *heart*. It's *not* and is in no way realistic; it's fantastical and yaoi is less...gritty? than slash.
Knowing, also, that yaoi generally has a slightly younger fanbase, that might also explain some things.
Knowing, also, that there's been a mingling of the slash and yaoi fandoms these past few years and that I'm speaking from what I remember of the fandoms three years past.
Knowing, also, that yaoi comes more from a culture
of "perfection", and if it's your fantasy, why *not* make it perfect? (this is a rhetorical question. I am posing it in the mindset of another, "a walk in another's shoes" so to speak.)
I will state it plainly here: This IS a culture clash.
Say it with me now: Culture. Clash.
Different perspectives, different values. Easy to say, hard to live. And NO, there isn't really solid grounds for argument based on 'logic' in some issues, because while Person1 might think in terms of "A to B to C to D", Person2 might think in terms of "A to 1 to One to O", and Person3 might think in terms of "A > B > C and thus Cat".
Summary?
You can't make 'logical' arguments when your opponent's base values are different than yours.
Logic HAS no footing (no basis, support, or foundation) when the parties in discussion can't agree whether "1" means "first" or "least". Or for that matter, when neither party even realizes that there's a miscommunication along those lines.
::facepalm::
(btw, this is not directed to anyone. this has been stewing for a bit.)
[]
Oh btw.
This?
It's *exactly* what you think it is.
Ah, those Japanese. Shall we blame it on the hot springs and day-time porn? ;)
[]
Point of happiness:
Seeing this icon?
(
moondog's) ...makes me happy.
Also? Whenever
viva_gloria writes I'm happy.Go read (Some Say The World Will) End in Fire
It's only the second piece of Norse Mythology slash that I've come across. And oooooooh, but it's good. It's deathly good and I love it on many levels, 'cause it's layered and deals with the Odin/Loki dynamic so fabulously.
And, really, there should be more Norse!slash. There just should. Where else can you not only get superpowers and literal talking heads and the fabulously beautiful and the famously ripped and neat weaponry and angsty drama and the Original Armageddon...
And! Canon Mpreg! Canon! Mpreg!
...though it's a bit fucked up that Odin kept the kid for his war stallion; but hey, the whole thing was partly Loki's fault anyhoo. (oh, and Odin wasn't the dad. A horse was. And it's not really beastiality. Really. 'Cause shapechanger, y'know? erm. I'm kinda not helping the cause here, am I? ::cringe:: I'm still blaming it on the meds)
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Here:
Have a faux innocent grin to show my appreciation. :D
(Dude, I got the furball one. ICON TIME.)
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GIP GIP
not the furrbal, but ahahahahaha TEH WOOB