Conclusions in The Great Will Debate...

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The original Debate thread

In process of being discussed/updated...erm, and contains Elizabeth and Jack musings too...

last updated around 10:30, PLEASE point out redundancies and points of disagreements...(ie, the questionmark next to Will's confidence,..)



Agreements:

Will in a fantasy world
Will has a strong childside
Will as a computer geek
Will is competent in his field of knowledge
Will's field of knowledge is a bit limited at times
Will being a dumbass sometimes
Will being young
Will growing up throughout the movie
Will is illiterate
Will's confidence(?)
Elizabeth is ruthless
Elizabeth is pirate-y
Elizabeth is adaptable in pirate situations
Elizabeth is a romantic
Jack is on Jack's side
Jack doesn't like to get his own hands dirty
Will is able to learn
Will is sheltered emotionally
Will realizes Undead Pirate
Will is rash
Will is emotionally suppressed by the established hierarchy.



Differences:

How rash IS Will?
Degree of Will's suppression by the established hierarchy
Piracy-Justifiable in the end? (would matter towards Will's view of pirates at the end)
Degree of growth in the movie
Will's competency
Will's confidence(?)
Will has logic/common sense


Trigger Paradoxes:

definition: an action that would definitively prove a characterization one way or another that is non-canon; ie. if Jack pulled the Trigger and shot Will in the smithy.

Shooting Will, y or n?
Will telling Elizabeth (in cave) he loves her
Elizabeth knowing that Jack is a pirate when she first wakes up
Will being nicely dressed at Jack's hanging


Sequel theories:

Elizabeth turning evil



Note: ok, I HAVE to study for my math final (::kicks linear algerbra books::), so I'm AWOL until about...4 pm (Pacific)? that should give jaida and cali time to come back from lunch and get settled.

In the meanwhile, feel free to leave your thoughts on the matter.

Comments

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heh, ok, more through answer after I finish noting down everything in the threads.

the elements I were referring to were less zodiac-derived than palmistry derived. (incidentally, if you want me to do a reading for you, scan your hands in and I'll see what I can do, yeah?)

but seriously I'm really interested in what you're saying about the zodiac signs, I dabble in it occasionally but more like as not most people only know their sunsigns. Incidentally, I'm a March 17th, Gemini acendant, Aries Moon. Which is probably why I'm able to tell when Jack's being out of character, but for the life of me can't pin him completely down...

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LOL, yes, I actually meant ascendent and moon and not ascendent and rising. I feel like such a bad bad... person who was not thinking what she was writing. ::slaps self on hand:: I am March 25, Virgo ascendent, Leo moon. I find the zodiac the most detailed system for like... being able to refer to very detailed information for illustrating what you're talking about, I suppose. I hold with its influence in life, but as a character classification system it's really without peer. ^_^ I would certainly be interested in a palmestry reading although I warn I have like... crone hands, they are just unnatrually lined. ::will likely photo face too and be like "HELLO, NOT SIXTY":: XP

On the Aries/Pisces I was also going to note, with Jack, that although he does not act so much sensitive and compassionate on the outside, he has to have an extreme sensitivity to other people's emotions/moods to be able to play them like he does.

Zodiac wise, though, it's driving me crazy that I can't get the grip on Elizabeth to chart her out. @__@

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crone hands, they are just unnatrually lined.

...you get stressed a lot? Like your worries overtaking your brain-type?

Either that, or do you mean the lines are unnaturally *deep*??

and yeah, I see what you mean about the character classification sys. and Virgo ascendent? lol! No wonder that debate occured...