Conclusions in The Great Will Debate...

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The original Debate thread

In process of being discussed/updated...erm, and contains Elizabeth and Jack musings too...

last updated around 10:30, PLEASE point out redundancies and points of disagreements...(ie, the questionmark next to Will's confidence,..)



Agreements:

Will in a fantasy world
Will has a strong childside
Will as a computer geek
Will is competent in his field of knowledge
Will's field of knowledge is a bit limited at times
Will being a dumbass sometimes
Will being young
Will growing up throughout the movie
Will is illiterate
Will's confidence(?)
Elizabeth is ruthless
Elizabeth is pirate-y
Elizabeth is adaptable in pirate situations
Elizabeth is a romantic
Jack is on Jack's side
Jack doesn't like to get his own hands dirty
Will is able to learn
Will is sheltered emotionally
Will realizes Undead Pirate
Will is rash
Will is emotionally suppressed by the established hierarchy.



Differences:

How rash IS Will?
Degree of Will's suppression by the established hierarchy
Piracy-Justifiable in the end? (would matter towards Will's view of pirates at the end)
Degree of growth in the movie
Will's competency
Will's confidence(?)
Will has logic/common sense


Trigger Paradoxes:

definition: an action that would definitively prove a characterization one way or another that is non-canon; ie. if Jack pulled the Trigger and shot Will in the smithy.

Shooting Will, y or n?
Will telling Elizabeth (in cave) he loves her
Elizabeth knowing that Jack is a pirate when she first wakes up
Will being nicely dressed at Jack's hanging


Sequel theories:

Elizabeth turning evil



Note: ok, I HAVE to study for my math final (::kicks linear algerbra books::), so I'm AWOL until about...4 pm (Pacific)? that should give jaida and cali time to come back from lunch and get settled.

In the meanwhile, feel free to leave your thoughts on the matter.

Comments

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yeah, what was it? something like 70 comments?? aheh.

It seems that the things we have differences on are things that can't be quantified, properly, so rather than agreeing for the sake of agreeing or not agreeing at all it's more like it might take us another two days to chart those things out. XD;;

Exactly. But I'd like them stated clearly and aboveboard so to speak so that we'd be able to take it into account in our discussion.

on elizabeth:

there's something about this assignment that I haven't squared with myself,

maybe toss in a sense of duty? loyalty? but it'd have to be weighted carefully, and maybe only through the other planets (nonAscendant/Sun/Moon) perhaps scorpio?

and:

Thankfully, Capricorns are patient, too, and are happy to wait for their ship to come in.

::gigglesnort::

ok, this is not helping, need to focus demmit, but ooo, pretty new site...

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Do I think Elizabeth is a Scorpio? You know what. Maybe that's the problem. I think I do think her sun sign is scorpio. Water sign, sea lust, that fits in. Maybe with Leo moon sign, ascendent like... Gemini or something, I don't know, something air. Something along those lines. ::ponders:: Yes, that seems to fit more in my head. And she reminds me of Barbossa, and I'm positive Barbossa is a Scorpio with strong Taurus influences. So.

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I'm not sure if I would have her as Leo moon, the air sign as moon sure, but ascendant usually means that would be a first impression of Elizabeth. The moon sign is more hidden, less obvious, like it's not obvious that she's a pirate fangirl... I could be off tho.