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hmm, how do I explain this? gah. different fandom conventions there?
For instance, there's no conventional ratings. There's just a note on whether it's "lemon", "lime", or "citrus". Lemon is fucking, lime is groping or oral, citrus is petting and snogging. All in all I find I like that system better than the ratings system which I never *could* make heads or tails of. I mean, fer gosh sakes, if you don't want anyone under a certain age to read it, labeling it with rating isn't going to help, really. All in all, it seems that the "ew!" factor was enough to keep most of my peer group from reading things we weren't prepared to handle. ::shrugs::
Oh, and I dunno, but yaoi just seems to be a highly...stylized? Compared to what slash is. More pink bubbles and dark rose petals and even the *suffering* is pretty. Really really pretty, in a way that slash isn't, and I KNOW I'm going to get arguments on this point from somewhere; but just the *feel* of it is less real and more...crystalline? Or just stylized.
Partly it's the source material I think, the highly exceptionally stylized art of very non-realistic features, in the way that "<3" is not a real, bloody and bleeding *heart*. It's *not* and is in no way realistic; it's fantastical and yaoi is less...gritty? than slash.
Knowing, also, that yaoi generally has a slightly younger fanbase, that might also explain some things.
Knowing, also, that there's been a mingling of the slash and yaoi fandoms these past few years and that I'm speaking from what I remember of the fandoms three years past.
Knowing, also, that yaoi comes more from a culture
of "perfection", and if it's your fantasy, why *not* make it perfect? (this is a rhetorical question. I am posing it in the mindset of another, "a walk in another's shoes" so to speak.)
I will state it plainly here: This IS a culture clash.
Say it with me now: Culture. Clash.
Different perspectives, different values. Easy to say, hard to live. And NO, there isn't really solid grounds for argument based on 'logic' in some issues, because while Person1 might think in terms of "A to B to C to D", Person2 might think in terms of "A to 1 to One to O", and Person3 might think in terms of "A > B > C and thus Cat".
Summary?
You can't make 'logical' arguments when your opponent's base values are different than yours.
Logic HAS no footing (no basis, support, or foundation) when the parties in discussion can't agree whether "1" means "first" or "least". Or for that matter, when neither party even realizes that there's a miscommunication along those lines.
::facepalm::
(btw, this is not directed to anyone. this has been stewing for a bit.)
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Oh btw.
This?
It's *exactly* what you think it is.
Ah, those Japanese. Shall we blame it on the hot springs and day-time porn? ;)
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Point of happiness:
Seeing this icon?
(![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
moondog's)
...makes me happy.
Also? Wheneverviva_gloria writes I'm happy.
Go read (Some Say The World Will) End in Fire
It's only the second piece of Norse Mythology slash that I've come across. And oooooooh, but it's good. It's deathly good and I love it on many levels, 'cause it's layered and deals with the Odin/Loki dynamic so fabulously.
And, really, there should be more Norse!slash. There just should. Where else can you not only get superpowers and literal talking heads and the fabulously beautiful and the famously ripped and neat weaponry and angsty drama and the Original Armageddon...
And! Canon Mpreg! Canon! Mpreg!
...though it's a bit fucked up that Odin kept the kid for his war stallion; but hey, the whole thing was partly Loki's fault anyhoo. (oh, and Odin wasn't the dad. A horse was. And it's not really beastiality. Really. 'Cause shapechanger, y'know? erm. I'm kinda not helping the cause here, am I? ::cringe:: I'm still blaming it on the meds)
For instance, there's no conventional ratings. There's just a note on whether it's "lemon", "lime", or "citrus". Lemon is fucking, lime is groping or oral, citrus is petting and snogging. All in all I find I like that system better than the ratings system which I never *could* make heads or tails of. I mean, fer gosh sakes, if you don't want anyone under a certain age to read it, labeling it with rating isn't going to help, really. All in all, it seems that the "ew!" factor was enough to keep most of my peer group from reading things we weren't prepared to handle. ::shrugs::
Oh, and I dunno, but yaoi just seems to be a highly...stylized? Compared to what slash is. More pink bubbles and dark rose petals and even the *suffering* is pretty. Really really pretty, in a way that slash isn't, and I KNOW I'm going to get arguments on this point from somewhere; but just the *feel* of it is less real and more...crystalline? Or just stylized.
Partly it's the source material I think, the highly exceptionally stylized art of very non-realistic features, in the way that "<3" is not a real, bloody and bleeding *heart*. It's *not* and is in no way realistic; it's fantastical and yaoi is less...gritty? than slash.
Knowing, also, that yaoi generally has a slightly younger fanbase, that might also explain some things.
Knowing, also, that there's been a mingling of the slash and yaoi fandoms these past few years and that I'm speaking from what I remember of the fandoms three years past.
Knowing, also, that yaoi comes more from a culture
of "perfection", and if it's your fantasy, why *not* make it perfect? (this is a rhetorical question. I am posing it in the mindset of another, "a walk in another's shoes" so to speak.)
I will state it plainly here: This IS a culture clash.
Say it with me now: Culture. Clash.
Different perspectives, different values. Easy to say, hard to live. And NO, there isn't really solid grounds for argument based on 'logic' in some issues, because while Person1 might think in terms of "A to B to C to D", Person2 might think in terms of "A to 1 to One to O", and Person3 might think in terms of "A > B > C and thus Cat".
Summary?
You can't make 'logical' arguments when your opponent's base values are different than yours.
Logic HAS no footing (no basis, support, or foundation) when the parties in discussion can't agree whether "1" means "first" or "least". Or for that matter, when neither party even realizes that there's a miscommunication along those lines.
::facepalm::
(btw, this is not directed to anyone. this has been stewing for a bit.)
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Oh btw.
This?
It's *exactly* what you think it is.
Ah, those Japanese. Shall we blame it on the hot springs and day-time porn? ;)
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Point of happiness:
Seeing this icon?
(
moondog's) ...makes me happy.
Also? Whenever
viva_gloria writes I'm happy.Go read (Some Say The World Will) End in Fire
It's only the second piece of Norse Mythology slash that I've come across. And oooooooh, but it's good. It's deathly good and I love it on many levels, 'cause it's layered and deals with the Odin/Loki dynamic so fabulously.
And, really, there should be more Norse!slash. There just should. Where else can you not only get superpowers and literal talking heads and the fabulously beautiful and the famously ripped and neat weaponry and angsty drama and the Original Armageddon...
And! Canon Mpreg! Canon! Mpreg!
...though it's a bit fucked up that Odin kept the kid for his war stallion; but hey, the whole thing was partly Loki's fault anyhoo. (oh, and Odin wasn't the dad. A horse was. And it's not really beastiality. Really. 'Cause shapechanger, y'know? erm. I'm kinda not helping the cause here, am I? ::cringe:: I'm still blaming it on the meds)
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WHEN I POSTED THAT I HADN'T HEARD THE FIONA LINE
OR SEEN THE BUTTERFLIES
NOW, CLEARLY, I HAVE
I want him in my house. forever. i LOVE him.
(This is SO making me think of the Potterpals. 'FOLLow the BUTTERflies, FOLLow the BUTTERflies, wheeeee, lalala'... And if you have no idea what that is, I likely sound completely insane now.)
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(ps. you *do* realize that anybody who's not in OUaTiM fandom right now will most possibly be staring at us oddly??)
AND YES THE **BUTTERFLIES**!!
Go. Check. Out
She's made ICONS of the butterfly moment.
AN ANIMATED ICON. (in the comments)
::DIESDIESDIES:: And she has a CAT that looks like that and with the El!kitty eyes and the boots.
the BOOTS. XD
And, of course, the convieniently placed phallic object. *SNERK*
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I am SO dead. It's pitch black and enclosed. But then, this is exactly how I like to slee--ZZZZZZZZZZ.
THE WOOBIE EYES WILL HAVE YOUR SOUL.
And I want them to. omg the CAT *attacks it with love*
And I don't even LIKE cats that much usually. Big cats, yes, smaller, not so much. But he's...yeah. Shiny boots and HAT.
(Anyone who isn't in the OUaTiM fandom clearly isn't weird enough to understand most of what we talk about, I say. :D)
oh man the phallicness. When does
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::grins::
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When you say kitty porn -- we really need to make this a new lj interest, btw -- do you mean the Sanzelle stuff, or has she done Puss In Boots? Because asjaskla;[sksjdljfdkdfdijgkg.
Methinks it would soon be corrupted into a threesome, which: licking! WHEE! It's all about the friction. A friend and I have a pairing...well...er. Okay, any original pairing you come up with? I can beat it for weirdness.
also? furballs.
oh...god. I just had orgasm face leading to hacking up furballs thoughts.
I'm going to find some way to blame you.
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::grins:: I'm game if you are. Though...want to smoosh it into one word? I know some of the lj spammers go thru the interests lists...
I don't think
oh...god. I just had orgasm face leading to hacking up furballs thoughts.
::covers eyes::
we think too much alike.
pardons.
also? You HAVE seen how flexible cats are, yes? yes.
::ducks under pillow::
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Brilliant. I'm going to add sanzelle, too. *grins*
although knowing her muses it's probably bounding around her head already...
And that's why we love her. :D
::covers eyes::
we think too much alike.
And that's why I love YOU!
also? You HAVE seen how flexible cats are, yes? yes.
*sporfles* Yes, um, flexibility? Leads me to the thought I had when watching Desperado properly for the first time and seeing Quino doing that half split.
I have a Campa/Quino plot bunny in which they fuck in the desert purely because a)they're bored and horny, and b) they're showing off their moves to each other.
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::blinkity:: I've gotta ask: *where* have I dropped that word? 'Cause I've been calling the pairing that in my head for forever and suddenly guede is dropping it and I'm like, huh?
Leads me to the thought I had when watching Desperado properly for the first time and seeing Quino doing that half split.
umm. ::brainsnoggered:: damn you.
I have a Campa/Quino plot bunny in which they fuck in the desert purely because a)they're bored and horny, and b) they're showing off their moves to each other.
and you know, I can see that...askjdgfuasgd!
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I think, using my super weird memory, you said it in a comment on
::brainsnoggered::
o_0! Is that having your brain snogged? *giggles* Whee!
and you know, I can see that...askjdgfuasgd!
EXACTLY! It works so well! I can't tell which one's which for sure but it'd be something like:
Campa: "I wish that you would stop doing that splits move, it looks stupid."
Quino: "You are simply jealous. You know it drives the women wild."
Campa: "Ha! You couldn't do it in a situation when your dick was leading your thoughts and you know it, so don't even try to tell me it's a pick up aid."
Quino: "...Care to place a bet?"
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ahhhhh.
::giggles:: and yes, brain snogged, muchly.
As for the Quino and Campa, I can't help but feel that for the next few moments after that converstation, after Campa takes him up on the bet that is, that they putter around a bit for a way to actually settle the bet...
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Oh, yes. Yes they do.
My mind, of course, always jumps to the image mid fuck with Campa on his knees behind Quino and Quino SOMEHOW going into the split, and with the jerk-out-spread of his legs he slips down and so Campa finds himself jolting further in, a slick slide and then tensing across and around him, Quino's taut back smacking into his chest.
Yes I've thought about this a lot.
Brain. Shiny.
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well now.
yes.
very very shiny.
::dazed expression::
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gah.
'cause also, in the desert, ne? and with the heat and the scritch-scrabbling of Quino trying to get some kind of grip or leverage and just not and Campa's all not expecting it, none of it, only there he is and damned but didn't Quino prove him wrong.
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Because I can so, SO see them, small figures against this grainy orange-yellow area as the evening just starts to press the blue down from the sky.
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o.o
...because yes the sun would come down as they complete, like a thunderclap, but brighter, and the darkness would creep in and the chill would set in and suddenly they'll feel each grain whereas before there was only orange surface, and suddenly it'll be clammy skin where it was once liquid and. For one moment the silence will be terribly awkward.
I think Campa would laugh though, and say "You win", and press his head down onto Quino's shoulder, as if to keep him there.
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And Quino would look out across the shades of blue-black and grey rolling off around them in flats and rises like the muscles under both of his palms, and laugh. "Sí. And as my payment..."
And Campa would open his eyes, short eyelashes skritching and sticking over Quino's damp-drying skin, and ask "...What?" And he would move a little, not much, just an unconscious shift in anticipation that would move Quino, braced across his thighs; make Quino's hand spasm over the tiny hairs on the tops of his legs and the tight muscle underneath in contrast to his softening length), and Quino would swallow his half-moan, and reply...
"Let me move outta this split before I cramp."
Thank You. Just... thank you.
That, plus the entire concept of Puss n'Boots/El-Kitty/Pretty Blind Gringo-Kitty made my day. Which probably means something worrying about my mental health.
Re: Thank You. Just... thank you.
*grins*
And I'm doing WWI stuff in college, at the mo, so I have SOME idea how you feel.
Re: Thank You. Just... thank you.
btw. what say you to compiling this sucker and perhaps plumping it up a bit??
Re: Thank You. Just... thank you.
Each keyboard mash so far, times ten.
Except you're like one of the most stunning writers ever, so forgive me if I stop to flail every now and then.
Re: Thank You. Just... thank you.
and, okay, give me a sec...
Re: Thank You. Just... thank you.
leave notes/additions in the comments? I'll add them in as we go...
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And this in a curl of breath that cups Quino's chin.
And Quino would laugh too, like sky and starlight, and send a ripple of reminder that would make them both stumble and break from the middle of breathing,
"You won't forget," Quino would say.
And he won't.