::eyeballs fandom:: SGA people, wtf.

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not that I'm really especially participating in fandom much, but...

Well, so I got caught up on SGA's Race wank, and well, what liviapenn's said on the subject, is pretty much spot on pure golden.

Now, I don't much like the type of discussion on racism that attempts to imbue shame onto "racists", because not only does that make people all defensive and reactionary liek whoa, but it also make "racists" the ones who commit racism.

And...the fact of the matter is that it's an issue of racism that exists in *people*, in *friends*, in people you *admire*; it's an issue of the racism that exists to some degree in each. person. because it *does*. Because we swim in it far too much (due to American media, that's tangled with worldwide media) and it's...it's *transparent* because you swim in it and is invisible to a very many people.

And I'm not going to hate people for being only human. I'm not going to shame people for something they cannot help.

However, I don't like people who aren't willing to self-examine when others are getting hurt at an act of theirs and it is being pointed out. I don't like how the sheer *possibility* that it's their own fault that they caused damage cannot pass through their mind, that they aren't willing to examine their own words and actions to see if these accusations are true.

Perhaps this is just my mental state as of now, with all the RL stuff going on for me. Perhaps this is me finally putting my foot down.

I'm defriending certain of you. Feel free to defriend me back.

[edit 1:11pm for grammar]

[edit 9:57pm] I've just come back from doing errands and ltlj's recent post was pointed out to me.

I sincerely apologize to ltlj for finding ill in her when there was none. I apologize for not following up and double-checking her own words before defriending. I apologize for the tone in my own comment. I was feeling betrayed at something that hadn't happened and acted far too quickly. Frankly, thank you for your ranty post.

I don't apologize for calling her a racist because in my post I called both everyone and no one a racist, because I believe that everybody has elements of racism in themselves to a degree. I do not level "that obscene hateful accusation" because I don't think it's useful in discussions of prejudice.

I haven't looked at the new comments in this post yet. I will do that now, time 10:10pm.

[edit 10:19pm] btw, I have re-added ltlj, and my current policy still stands that it's okay to either friend or defriend me at will.

[edit 10:33pm] ::facepalm:: edited my edit at 9:57pm to make it more concise and relevant.

[edit 9:22pm March 31st] in direct response here, but pertinent to the post in general:

Well, I have to admit that I was flustered and upset at myself for making such a mistake, and I was defending myself, so yes I was defensive.

What I have wished for of trolls is that they would just stop responding, to stop making an ass of themselves and to stop escalating the grief, so I will do so.

I am sorry.

Comments

[seperis.livejournal.com]

I think if this is the case--if not posting publicly on the subject in one's lj is the standard--you may need to go ahead and unfriend me too.

She is awesome, and the default accusation of racism here was wrong.

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Yes she *is* awesome, I'm glad that I'd had a chance to read her post before she re-deleted her LJ. There's an addendum to my post regarding that matter.

Yes, I accused her of posessing elements of racism. Yes, it was a false accusation and I've should've double-checked her involvement in the whole SGA debacle. But no, I didn't call her a racist, because I think that word has reached the level of a slur and that it's original meaning is muddled. As I've stated in my post, I think that everyone posess elements of racism; it was not the racism itself I was getting incensed by.

Rather I was angry at how some of the participants to the discussions refused to consider the possibility that they *might* have actually done wrong. I've stated more on the matter in my post itself, but poke me if you want me to clairify 'cause I know that my words sometimes only make sense to me.

[seperis.livejournal.com]

You defacto called her a racist. There's no way you can say seriously that you didn't intend to label her, akukorax, and the other people as racist, because that was what your post was about. These people didn't post in a manner you liked, or in ltlj's case, she didn't post *anywhere* on this subject--seriously, is there a list somewhere of authors that haven't posted pubicly on the subject? I seriously cannot for the life of me figure out how you got her name when it's nowhere in regards to this subject. Do we need to post publicly on it to prove we're, well, thinking the way we're supposed to?

I can totally understand how a hot-button subject makes people post without thinking. Everyone does this. I have done this in a fit of anger about something. You're stressed--I totally get that, too. And lier is your friend and of course that would make it far more personal even than it already was for you. But this post you made was a public post, almost a unwritten blacklist, and when people asked why they were singled out, you responded wiht the specific link for korax and a quote for ltlj--not even a link to whatever she did, since there was nothing--but a quote. That's an accusation.

You really can't defend this. You can't say, I actually meant everyone, because your post was *about* these specific however-many people you singled out. It was public so people would know where you stand, what you find acceptable, and how certain people *aren't*. And in the process, you injured someone badly, labeled them publicly, and held them up to a public shame they didn't deserve.