SGA; recs and question

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First the recs, 'cause these have been piling up and I need some form of sanity and not being afraid of my bookmarks. ::wry grin::

Assume that these are all SGA and all some form of Sheppard and McKay.


#435, The Atlantis Local Stitch'n'Bitch Chapter by rageprufrock - Wherein John is held close to the righteous female bosom of knitted products, Rodney is too curious for his own good, and plans fail in a spectacular way. (random thought: huh. I just realized this has a lot of what cereta mentions in her post on masculine and feminine spaces. huh.)

The Boys Of Summer by seperis - reads like the first breath of fresh air and feels like sun shining.

Advantage by resonant8 - Aliens make John into Rodney's slave and its both exactly what you expect and entirely surprising all at once.

Beauty by blinkiesays - Skip the notes on this one, the story reveals itself well enough on it's own and it reads like a melody.

The Lending Library by iphignia939 - The summary explains it all: "Naturally, when several hundred people moved to another galaxy, they brought porn." XD

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Stargate Question: Has anyone out there seen a plentiful amount of SG-1?

I'm very curious as to SG-1's interpretation of the Ancients; ie.
both the text and subtext of the Ancient's place/position in the SG-1 universe.

For instance, in SG-1 how were the Ancient's introduced? How are their technology viewed in SG-1, textually and subtextually? How did the SG-1 characters feel about the Ancients and Ancient technology?

Comments

[fan-this.livejournal.com]

There is a lot of info about Ancients ala Stargate (history and such) over at the Stargate Wiki (http://wiki.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/index.php/Ancients).

I believe the first time we ever heard of the Ancients was in SG-1 1.11 "Torment of Tantalus" (ironically featuring Paul "I'm Single" McGillion as Ernest).

For individual character's reactions, I can't think of specfic episodes or quotes off the top of my head. Generally, in the view of the Ascended Ancients, it seems to be pissed off at their lack of interference with the big baddies o' the galaxy (at least once Daniel meets Oma and they begin dealing with them face to face)

[(Anonymous)]

thank you for the link!

Do you have any thoughts about the general impression of the show and the characters towards the Ancients? Is it uniformly positive or is there any sort of ambivalance towards them?

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ack, sorry, the anonymous comment was me, I forgot to sign in.

[fan-this.livejournal.com]

Hah. I do that all the time.

Generally in response to the Ancients as a race, Dan's pretty much in awe and does the archaelogist squee over anything Ancienty. Sam squees as well, Teal'c gives us a background of how the Goa'uld used it/bastarded it, and Jack goes "eh, does it make things go boom?".

When you are talking about the Ascended Ancients, it's a bit different. Generally once Daniel ascended at the end of 5th season, everybody's been a little put out by the whole "You must help yourselves, I'm going to go eat waffles" attitude of the Ascended Ancients. This is especially evident when Daniel is ascended and keeps showing up on Jack who throws shoes at him.

So, Ancient tech, good, Ancient's themselves, glorified do-gooders.

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when Daniel is ascended and keeps showing up on Jack who throws shoes at him.

o.o that actually happened? ::giggles::

[fan-this.livejournal.com]

Oh yes!

There are some fairly amusing caps right here (http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s6/606/index2.shtml).

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::giggles:: oh dear!

[phreid.livejournal.com]

He ascended twice, actually. (Maybe more? I lost count.)

[jmtorres.livejournal.com]

At the beginning of SG-1, I think they thought the goa'uld had made the gate system, but this was dispelled pretty quickly (it's the Ancients, or possibly the Asgaard, or possibly the alliance of the two who created the gate system).

I think the earliest suggestion that Earth was an Ancient outpost was the s1 episode "Solitudes" when it turned out there was a second gate on Earth, in Antarctica, that predated the Egyptian gate brought to Earth by Ra. However the implications of there being a second gate were not explored at that time since they really hadn't heard much about the Ancients yet.

The first time we actually heard of the Ancients was the s2 episode "The Fifth Race." Sometime in s1, I believe, they met the Nox (s1 ep "The Nox") and the Asgaard (s1 ep "Thor's Hammer"), who are two of the older races who were allies with the Ancients. (There was a fourth race, the furries or furbies or furlongs or something... see, I can't remember because we never HAVE met them). In the s2 ep "The Fifth Race," The Asgaard told them humanity might become the fifth great race (without mentioning at *all* that humanity looks an awful lot like the Ancients, and seems to be genetically related, and is in fact inhabiting a planet that, if it's not the Ancients' home planet, it is one of their major colonies). The Ancients are known to have experimented with time travel (see "Window of Opportunity").

The first Ancient they met was Oma Desala, in the s3 ep "Maternal Instinct." She was ascended, and apparently revered in an underground religion the Jaffa kept secret from the goa'uld. Oma took responsibility for the child Sha're/Amaunet and Apophis had, because he had access to all the knowledge of the goa'uld and was therefore incredibly dangerous. (In the episode "Absolute Power," we learn that Daniel, if exposed to this knowledge, would probably end up nuking Russia. Go figure.) We've met a few more ascended ancients as well, including Sam's boyfriend Orlin, and we've learned some more about Oma. Oma helped Daniel ascend at the end of s5, and he was dead/ascended for all of s6 when Michael Shanks didn't want to be on Stargate anymore. Oma tried to teach him (Daniel, not MS) about the Prime Directive of Ascended Beings, which Daniel kinda thought was a lot of crap, because he wanted to help his friends. Oma is semirebellious in that she helps humans ascend, sometimes, but the rest of the ascended Ancients keep a pretty sharp eye on her, because, as we learned last season (8), she helped Anubis half-ascend, and he became a horribly powerful evil fiend. Daniel tried to defeat Anubis in the s6 finale and Oma slapped him back down the mortal plane naked and amnesiac, because that was just crossing too far over the Prime Directive. (Also: apparently slapping back down the mortal plan is par for the course with punishments among ascended Ancients--but the naked part was Oma's idea.)

In the s6 episode "Frozen," we saw an unascended Ancient for the first time; they found her frozen in Anarctica. This was the surprising revelation that they looked a lot like us, and did have physical bodies. At the end of s7, they discovered the Lost City in Antarctica, which led to the kickoff of the Atlantis series.

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[jmtorres.livejournal.com]

The current season of Stargate (s9) along with Atlantis suggests that the timeline of Ancient migration goes something like this:

Like, a billion years ago or something: The Ancients leave this other galaxy that Daniel and Vala found, to come live on Earth. The not-Ancients still back in that galaxy have ascended, sort of, but instead of being all aloof, they want everyone to worship them so they can eat their souls, or something. The ascended Ancients who came to Earth guard our galaxy against these folks, so people on the mortal plane can live without being dominated by superpowerful beings. Unfortunately, the ascended Ancients don't guard against the bad Ancients' mortal minions coming and making a ruckus, because that would be interfering in the mortal plane. So that's the main conflict of SG-1 s9.

Somewhere between ten million and one million years ago: The (unascended) Ancients on Earth pack it in and go to the Pegasus galaxy.

Somewhere between one million and ten thousand years ago: The Ancients in Atlantis are researching ascension. They're at war with the Wraith. If they could just all ascend, they wouldn't be Wraithfood anymore, but for some reason, that solution doesn't work. Despite the fact that Oma Desala is *totally* capable of causing entire planets to ascend (see the s6 finale).

Approximately ten thousand years ago: The unascended Ancients in Atlantis pack it in and head back to Earth. Where they go native and are absorbed into the primitive human population, seeding the ATA gene to come back and make things interesting later on.

...I think that's relatively in order...

[permetaform]

oh wow, thank you for the details, that's useful to know!

Any feelings on the general attitude of SG1 (the show as a whole and the characters within it) towards the Ancients? Like, is it a generally positive attitude? are there ambivalence, and if so where?

[jmtorres.livejournal.com]

For a long time the Ancients were totally Absent and Mysterious, which to some extent, they still are. Then they met Oma, and they've regarded her as Good, If Occasionally Frustrating. (She's also become the deus ex machina for Daniel death. He died in s8, and everyone was all, "Jack, are you going to do anything? How about a funeral? Anything?" and Jack kept saying, "Nope, he's done this before, he'll be back." And he was. After spending some time in a metaphorical highway cafe where Oma offered him ascension once again, she tossed him naked into Jack's office. Jack provided a nearby flag to cover his manhood.) Oma (and Shifu, the goauld wunderkind I mentioned) always had zen koan kind of answers for things that Daniel didn't entirely get and Jack didn't get at *all* but imitated hilariously. There's one about a candle and... anyway. It basically amounted to "I can't, and I can't tell you why, but I know more than you do," re: the ascended Ancient non-interference thing. Daniel finding out about Oma's involvement with Anubis was confirmation that she was right, and we haven't really heard from her since (but hey, Daniel has to die *sometime* this season...).

When Daniel was ascended, before he had his falling out with Oma over the extent to which he couldn't interfere, he did visit his old teammates a couple of times, in their hours of need. Unfortunately he couldn't *do* anything about their need, just offer them spirtual comfort. Since they were both dying at the times, they were less than totally thrilled with this. Jack threw a shoe.

There have been signs of desperation in them long before we found out all the things they had to run from--I mentioned the episode "Window of Opportunity" for evidence of time travel yeah? Well, it's time travel that doesn't work, the Ancients of this planet trying to save themselves from extinction, and instead it's stuck on a loop.

Orlin was pretty crazy stalkery--he moved into Sam's house, and due to the being ascended thing, could do that without showing himself to anyone else. But it was like being an Ancient absolved him--Sam was willing to help him when he told her that.

I think the non-interference thing basically drives SG-1 up the wall. Like, "Okay, so you're good, and you're all-powerful, but if you're not gonna do anything about problem X, what good are you?"

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and Jack kept saying, "Nope, he's done this before, he'll be back." And he was. After spending some time in a metaphorical highway cafe where Oma offered him ascension once again, she tossed him naked into Jack's office. Jack provided a nearby flag to cover his manhood.)

o.o wow, SG1 is kinda awesome to it's fangirls....


Unfortunately he couldn't *do* anything about their need, just offer them spirtual comfort. Since they were both dying at the times, they were less than totally thrilled with this. Jack threw a shoe.

::blinks:: wait, really?? XD


I think the non-interference thing basically drives SG-1 up the wall. Like, "Okay, so you're good, and you're all-powerful, but if you're not gonna do anything about problem X, what good are you?"

Ahhh, that makes sense. So it was more of the fact that the Ancients are passive, rather than the active intimation that the Ancients are morally dubious?

[jmtorres.livejournal.com]

o.o wow, SG1 is kinda awesome to it's fangirls....


Well, it also pushes the Sam/Jack ship pretty hard. We overlook it. Because Sam was raising an adopted daughter with Janet Frasier before she died.

::blinks:: wait, really?? XD

To check for physicality, yeah. Shoe went right through Daniel.

So it was more of the fact that the Ancients are passive, rather than the active intimation that the Ancients are morally dubious?

Yep.

[jmtorres.livejournal.com]

Chaya, by the by, was pretty par for the course in what we get in ascended Ancients. Because the only time we meet ascended Ancients is when they've deviated from the party line of non-interference and been punished. Oma and Orlin were both in varying degrees of doghouse for interfering with the mortal plane, like Chaya.

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Was Chaya treated differently (by the show) than from Oma and Orlin?? ie. were they ever treated with as much suspicion as Chaya?

[jmtorres.livejournal.com]

Hmm. I think Chaya was treated with suspicion because she didn't tell them she was an Ancient upfront, tried to hide her powers. So there was something to be suspicious of, if you see my point.

I think in a meta-sense, they were handled very similarly--yeah, they're glowy forces of goodness, but they still experience personal attraction and lust. Like Chaya, Orlin fixated on Sam, and Oma is always using any excuse to see Daniel in the buff. However, I do wonder if this may be related to them being Ancients who couldn't keep to the code, who were too tied to the affairs of the mortal plane--if ascended Ancients who *do* stick firmly to the Prime Directive don't have any of those sexual feelings.

Another note--I think it could be argued that Chaya's punishment was more lax than Orlin's or Oma's. Orlin was bound to the planet he helped and forced to watch as they used his technological aid to nuke each other senseless. Oma's planet when they first met her in "Maternal Instinct" was inhabited by pretty much one follower. Who had come from somewhere else. Chaya got to have her wish to be guardian over a whole planet, and to actually guard them.

[simonesa.livejournal.com]

*raises hand high*

The ancients are first mentioned in the first season. They were one of the 4 races of beings that had a council (along with the Asgaard). They are the ones who created the repository of knowledge that was dumped into Jack's head in the ep The Fifth Race. The storyline develops slowly with mentions here and there. The first contact is with Oma who communicates with Daniel about the baby that was fathered by Apophis and Daniel's wife Share. Then in 4th season has a marvelous repeat episode where Jack and Teal'c keep repeating the same 6 hours or so. It is a planet suspected to be inhabited by Ancients who were trying to escape their fate by going back in time. Then, of course, Daniel meets Oma again at the end of season 5. *cries* She teaches him to ascent. In six there is a discovery of an ancient in Anartica, but when they thaw her out the same disease that killed the ancients begins infecting everyone on the base. Most SG1 respect Ancients. There was always the drive to find them. Learn more about the technology. Ancient technology was what destroyed Anubis. SG1 looks down on Goauld who basically pirated a bunch of the Ancients technology.

Short answer Ancients good. LOL

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Then in 4th season has a marvelous repeat episode where Jack and Teal'c keep repeating the same 6 hours or so.

HEE!! I LOVE those, they're always so fun.


Short answer Ancients good. LOL

Was there any ambivalence to the Ancients at all? Or were they generally earmarked as benevolent?

[simonesa.livejournal.com]

Benevolent. But like I read in someone else's answer, there is the thing about them not interferring. Oma was ostracized because she would not play by the rules. Similar to Chaya only without the annoying clinging to Shep thing. There is another Ancient we meet in season five that falls for Sam. He becomes human again to be with her. Oren, I think his name is. Ancients have this thing that once ascended, they are supposed to leave all physical concerns to physical world. Not get involved. But, while still human they were generally considered just like people today only much smarter and more technically advanced. As far as I know, no deep dark Ancient secrets. ;-D

[franzeska]

I've seen through season 7 or so. I think the previous comments give a pretty good idea of the progression of discoveries about the Ancients. I should stress that it's a progression. The writers keep inventing SG1 keeps discovering new things about them.

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Is there a general feeling towards the Ancients though? (either expressed by the show or by the characters?) For instance, are Ancients consistently viewed in a generally positive manner? Or is it ambiguous? and if so how?

[franzeska]

At first, they're just interesting and remote. The characters want to get their technology. We get the sense that they may be extinct. When we find out that they're still around, they're powerful, and they're not doing anything about all the problems they observe, there's a palpable sense of outrage.

It's very similar to the reaction non-Star Trek fans have to any episode involving the Prime Directive. (Or possibly it's similar to the attitudes of Star Trek characters, seeing as they never seem to actually obey it.)

The SGC is all about interfering--it's what they do best--so the idea of all that power not being used to protect people is quite galling.

I think that at this point, the Ancients have moved past being interesting and mysterious and past being irritating and are pretty much just another alien race. Thus, the general attitude is that they're interesting but would be much better if they'd give us some technology, thanks.

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It's very similar to the reaction non-Star Trek fans have to any episode involving the Prime Directive. (Or possibly it's similar to the attitudes of Star Trek characters, seeing as they never seem to actually obey it.)

::nods:: and that's absolutely I think what they're getting at 'cause in Aurora the Ancient's on their ship was totally coded as Star Trek (but in blue instead of in grey and sepia), with the way the hallways looked and their uniforms and their phasers. (their phasers!)

It's then facinating the way that SGA is both a homage to Star Trek and a critique of Star Trek all at the same time!


The SGC is all about interfering--it's what they do best--so the idea of all that power not being used to protect people is quite galling.

And here's the facinating thing too: SGA is all about people interfering in different matters and having it blow up horribly in their face!


I think that at this point, the Ancients have moved past being interesting and mysterious and past being irritating and are pretty much just another alien race. Thus, the general attitude is that they're interesting but would be much better if they'd give us some technology, thanks.

::nods:: That makes sense.

[turtlespeaks.livejournal.com]

I think jmtorres pretty much explained the history, now I'm explain how they are perceived and how that bleeds over into Atlantis.

The Ancients, as they have come to be known, have played pretty much a back seat roll in SG-1 for most of the show's running. They were important as a historical link to the Gua'ould technologies (because the Gua'ould keep stealing it), but they were mostly over in the corner in terms of importance. Daniel Jackson, since about season 2 (and arguably season 1), has been obsessed with learning all her can about the Ancients. He is the foremost authority on the language, and he has has the most experience with their culture, both through the discoveries and through his ascension.

In "The Fifth Race" Jack gets the entire database of the Ancient knowledge downloaded into his brain, which nearly kills him, but during that time he manages to make a program on the SGC comptuers which adds a collection of unknown gates into their gate database, which completes the Earth, umm, directory of gates in existence in the Milky Way Galaxy, all the other gates they had were ones that the Gua'ould had discovered. So now the SGC has one of the most complete collection of gate adresses in the Galaxy thanks to the knowlegde of the Ancients. After that, we slowly learn that the Ancients existed on earth, they they were super smart, very powerful, and died out from a horrible plague. Those that didn't die out in a plague ascended and now hang over us all in a higher plane of superiority and non-intervention. Mostly, though, they are supremely unhelpful.

In season 7, when Daniel is kicked out of the "Oma Desala Fan Club" (as Jack calls it) he becomes obsessed with finding the lost city of the Ancients, because they believe that a) Anubis (half ascended Gua'ould) is looking for it as well and they must stop him before he is able to get a hold of that technology, and b) Jackson's overlaying need to find out as much as he can about them and ascension and all that jazz. All through season 7 we find more clues about where this "Lost City" is and the technology that The Ancients once possessed.

Finally after the database is downloaded into Jack's brain, again, he super hot-wires a Gua'ould cargo ship, goes off to get a ZPM, and then happily tells the SG-1 team that "Terra Atlantis" was in fact, on Earth (Go Team Ancients!) flies all the way back to Earth, and blows Anubis out of the sky with a the last of the Ancient squid missiles.

Insert expedition to Atlantis!

Since then they have struggled around all through season 8 trying to clean up the remaining Gua'ould problem and occasionally crashing into more Ancient technology (like the puddle jumper time machine, hooray for crossover!). Also Daniel Jackson gets to find out more about how the ascended Ancients view the universe, and why the ascended beings are the way they are by the end of season 8. He also spends the better part of season 8 begging Jack O'Neill to let him go join the Atlantis expidition team, which he nearly got to twice, but both times he missed his chance. jmtorres explained all you need to know about season 9.

Overall, through the show they are mostly perceived as very smart, very wise, very good, but, mostly, very useless in a crisis situation. But, you know, still good!

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Oh neat! Thank you for such a detailed overview, this helps alot to fill in those spaces I had not knowing SG1.


He also spends the better part of season 8 begging Jack O'Neill to let him go join the Atlantis expidition team, which he nearly got to twice, but both times he missed his chance.

XD I *love* cross-show references!


Overall, through the show they are mostly perceived as very smart, very wise, very good, but, mostly, very useless in a crisis situation. But, you know, still good!

Huh! That's interesting, 'cause there's both textual and subtextual undermining of the Ancients all throughout SGA. I was wondering if this was unique to SGA or if it was present in SG1 as well.

[rokeon.livejournal.com]

Oooh, never seen Beauty before. Good rec.

Looks like you've gotten plenty of SG-1 info already.

rageprufrock writes great stuff. Are you reading Bell Curve?

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yup! she writes fun stuff!

[entropic.livejournal.com]

All of the stuff other comments have said about the Ancients is right on, but I wanted to add one thing. The Ancients first appeared as one of four races with signatures on a depository of "meaning of life stuff" written in atomic diagrams, and SG-1 continued showing them as a smarter, wiser, all around superior race for quite a while (and some characters still seem a bit locked into this mindset). I haven't been keeping up with SGA, 'cause I suck, but from what I've heard they definitely seem to be exploring a lot more of the dumb stuff that the Ancients did, rather than treating them as near-perfect.

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SG-1 continued showing them as a smarter, wiser, all around superior race for quite a while (and some characters still seem a bit locked into this mindset). I haven't been keeping up with SGA, 'cause I suck, but from what I've heard they definitely seem to be exploring a lot more of the dumb stuff that the Ancients did, rather than treating them as near-perfect.

::nodnodnod:: that was my general impression too, I've noticed a definate critique of the Ancients both text and subtext in SGA, but was wondering if that carried over into SG-1, 'cause the things that SGA are saying about the Ancients are really neat, but I was wondering if it's just a carry-over from SG-1

[simonesa.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Through Daniel's experience as being ascended, there is criticism of Ancients. Like they should have helped when Earth was in trouble. They should have done something about Anubis. Daniel has entire episode where he is yelling at the Ancients for just letting this guy destroy the entire universe. I liked when they start exploring the Ancients because considering the high power. You know, supposedly all knowing stuff. Well, these higher power are just as fucked up as we are with just as many problems. Pretty cool view actually that we all have this impression that ascended means smarter, better. But, not necessarily.

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The thing with SGA's view of the Ancients seem to me that it isn't even that they aren't helping, but that the Ancients are part of the problem. Or rather, that they caused a lot of the problems that the SGA team is dealing with, actively, instead of just the show saying that the Ancient's passivity is bad.

[simonesa.livejournal.com]

Maybe, but nothing premeditated or malicious. Usually unintentional. Supposing that Wraith are by product of Ancients and these nasty bugs, they did not deliberately create the Wraith. Something like Trinity where this ancient weapon that causes supernova was also Ancients exploring new technology to make things better.

At this point though the ascended Ancients are resented by SGA because of this noninterference. Like McKay is telling Chaya. She must know how much they would give to meet an Ancient and be able to ask them questions. If the ascended Ancients are so powerful as Chaya demonstrated when protecting her world, the Wraith would not be a problem. Obviously they have not done anything to prevent centuries of cullings.

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::nods:: that makes sense.

[franzeska]

It's not just the Ancients. I'm not up to date on SG1, but they've been slowly working through all their allies. Those allies either turn evil or turn out to be using Earth humans or turn out to have flaws that must be shown in a heavy-handed manner explored. SGA may be using it more as an ongoing theme while on SG1 it's more of a sweeps attention-grabber, but I haven't seen SGA, so I'm not sure.

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SGA also have been having the allies-going-sour thing, but what's facinating to me is the way that the Ancients are simultaneously being revered and undermined throughout SGA. It's sort of an ongoing theme in the way that it pops up in various episodes or the way that the magical city they're in has the occasional danger and the way that the Wraiths are connected in various ways back to the Ancients. (I and a few others have a few theories in how the Wraiths were actually created by the Ancients themselves, in either an accidental or a purposeful way)

[franzeska]

Well considering the general Stargate theme of "Man was Not Meant To Know... but since some other dumbass already went there, I guess we'll try to fix it"...

[cofax7]

The criticism of the Ancients is a lot more textual in SGA than in SG-1, which makes some sense, since SGA is happening in the Ancients' actual city. SG-1's criticism is, um, philosophical mostly. (Although the Ancients have left a number of dangerous things just laying around the Milky Way galaxy, like the head-sucking data repository, and the broken time-travel device in Window of Opportunity.) The Ancients have given no evidence that they will try to protect the Milky Way residents from their long-lost cousins the Orii.

SGA has gone farther in pointing out how the Ancients were kinda racist, and short-sighted, and medically unethical in many ways. Fr'instance, the whole thing with leaving Stargates in orbit? That's nasty, people. Plus the nano viruses, and playing with Wraith dna, and all that.

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::nods at comment::

SGA has gone farther in pointing out how the Ancients were kinda racist, and short-sighted, and medically unethical in many ways. Fr'instance, the whole thing with leaving Stargates in orbit? That's nasty, people.

I'd always wondered at how the people of the various planets knew what to dial, and how they knew that what was on the other side of the gate was safe...also, is this only for SGA? There were no in-space gates in SG1?

[saeva.livejournal.com]

I'm feeling better and will reply to the big question soon, but this:

We've yet to see an in-space gate in the Milky Way, but that's likely representative of the fact that even if there were there's a force that would probably *move* them. For example, we see in-ship 'gates in SG-1, which we don't in SGA save for Atlantis itself. But SG-1 has the added fact that the Goa'uld will move or alter anything that seems halfway useful and since they gained space travel long before the humans of any planet we've seen, well, those who come first get the best pickings, etc.

- Andrea.

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argh, just found this comment because LJ didn't notify, sorry for the delay.

::hugs:: and I hope you feel better soon!

And yeah, that does make sense that someone would have 'scooped' up the Stargates already in the Milky Way!

[saeva.livejournal.com]

Okay, uh, I started replying and replying and replying, and, well, we're talking 1650 words and I'm not really where I want to go yet. *laughs* It's a lot of background and I can understand if you don't want to read that much, some people really don't.

So, if you're not interested in the details I could just sum it up though? Really shortly, too, even for me.

- Andrea.

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Several other commentors have said alot already so I think I know the general gist of what's going on with the Ancients, but a summary of your perspective would be lovely too, to get a different viewpoint.