SGA; recs and question

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First the recs, 'cause these have been piling up and I need some form of sanity and not being afraid of my bookmarks. ::wry grin::

Assume that these are all SGA and all some form of Sheppard and McKay.


#435, The Atlantis Local Stitch'n'Bitch Chapter by rageprufrock - Wherein John is held close to the righteous female bosom of knitted products, Rodney is too curious for his own good, and plans fail in a spectacular way. (random thought: huh. I just realized this has a lot of what cereta mentions in her post on masculine and feminine spaces. huh.)

The Boys Of Summer by seperis - reads like the first breath of fresh air and feels like sun shining.

Advantage by resonant8 - Aliens make John into Rodney's slave and its both exactly what you expect and entirely surprising all at once.

Beauty by blinkiesays - Skip the notes on this one, the story reveals itself well enough on it's own and it reads like a melody.

The Lending Library by iphignia939 - The summary explains it all: "Naturally, when several hundred people moved to another galaxy, they brought porn." XD

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Stargate Question: Has anyone out there seen a plentiful amount of SG-1?

I'm very curious as to SG-1's interpretation of the Ancients; ie.
both the text and subtext of the Ancient's place/position in the SG-1 universe.

For instance, in SG-1 how were the Ancient's introduced? How are their technology viewed in SG-1, textually and subtextually? How did the SG-1 characters feel about the Ancients and Ancient technology?

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The current season of Stargate (s9) along with Atlantis suggests that the timeline of Ancient migration goes something like this:

Like, a billion years ago or something: The Ancients leave this other galaxy that Daniel and Vala found, to come live on Earth. The not-Ancients still back in that galaxy have ascended, sort of, but instead of being all aloof, they want everyone to worship them so they can eat their souls, or something. The ascended Ancients who came to Earth guard our galaxy against these folks, so people on the mortal plane can live without being dominated by superpowerful beings. Unfortunately, the ascended Ancients don't guard against the bad Ancients' mortal minions coming and making a ruckus, because that would be interfering in the mortal plane. So that's the main conflict of SG-1 s9.

Somewhere between ten million and one million years ago: The (unascended) Ancients on Earth pack it in and go to the Pegasus galaxy.

Somewhere between one million and ten thousand years ago: The Ancients in Atlantis are researching ascension. They're at war with the Wraith. If they could just all ascend, they wouldn't be Wraithfood anymore, but for some reason, that solution doesn't work. Despite the fact that Oma Desala is *totally* capable of causing entire planets to ascend (see the s6 finale).

Approximately ten thousand years ago: The unascended Ancients in Atlantis pack it in and head back to Earth. Where they go native and are absorbed into the primitive human population, seeding the ATA gene to come back and make things interesting later on.

...I think that's relatively in order...

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oh wow, thank you for the details, that's useful to know!

Any feelings on the general attitude of SG1 (the show as a whole and the characters within it) towards the Ancients? Like, is it a generally positive attitude? are there ambivalence, and if so where?

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For a long time the Ancients were totally Absent and Mysterious, which to some extent, they still are. Then they met Oma, and they've regarded her as Good, If Occasionally Frustrating. (She's also become the deus ex machina for Daniel death. He died in s8, and everyone was all, "Jack, are you going to do anything? How about a funeral? Anything?" and Jack kept saying, "Nope, he's done this before, he'll be back." And he was. After spending some time in a metaphorical highway cafe where Oma offered him ascension once again, she tossed him naked into Jack's office. Jack provided a nearby flag to cover his manhood.) Oma (and Shifu, the goauld wunderkind I mentioned) always had zen koan kind of answers for things that Daniel didn't entirely get and Jack didn't get at *all* but imitated hilariously. There's one about a candle and... anyway. It basically amounted to "I can't, and I can't tell you why, but I know more than you do," re: the ascended Ancient non-interference thing. Daniel finding out about Oma's involvement with Anubis was confirmation that she was right, and we haven't really heard from her since (but hey, Daniel has to die *sometime* this season...).

When Daniel was ascended, before he had his falling out with Oma over the extent to which he couldn't interfere, he did visit his old teammates a couple of times, in their hours of need. Unfortunately he couldn't *do* anything about their need, just offer them spirtual comfort. Since they were both dying at the times, they were less than totally thrilled with this. Jack threw a shoe.

There have been signs of desperation in them long before we found out all the things they had to run from--I mentioned the episode "Window of Opportunity" for evidence of time travel yeah? Well, it's time travel that doesn't work, the Ancients of this planet trying to save themselves from extinction, and instead it's stuck on a loop.

Orlin was pretty crazy stalkery--he moved into Sam's house, and due to the being ascended thing, could do that without showing himself to anyone else. But it was like being an Ancient absolved him--Sam was willing to help him when he told her that.

I think the non-interference thing basically drives SG-1 up the wall. Like, "Okay, so you're good, and you're all-powerful, but if you're not gonna do anything about problem X, what good are you?"

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and Jack kept saying, "Nope, he's done this before, he'll be back." And he was. After spending some time in a metaphorical highway cafe where Oma offered him ascension once again, she tossed him naked into Jack's office. Jack provided a nearby flag to cover his manhood.)

o.o wow, SG1 is kinda awesome to it's fangirls....


Unfortunately he couldn't *do* anything about their need, just offer them spirtual comfort. Since they were both dying at the times, they were less than totally thrilled with this. Jack threw a shoe.

::blinks:: wait, really?? XD


I think the non-interference thing basically drives SG-1 up the wall. Like, "Okay, so you're good, and you're all-powerful, but if you're not gonna do anything about problem X, what good are you?"

Ahhh, that makes sense. So it was more of the fact that the Ancients are passive, rather than the active intimation that the Ancients are morally dubious?

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o.o wow, SG1 is kinda awesome to it's fangirls....


Well, it also pushes the Sam/Jack ship pretty hard. We overlook it. Because Sam was raising an adopted daughter with Janet Frasier before she died.

::blinks:: wait, really?? XD

To check for physicality, yeah. Shoe went right through Daniel.

So it was more of the fact that the Ancients are passive, rather than the active intimation that the Ancients are morally dubious?

Yep.